Taiwan M.O.E.: List of recommended characters, etc.

ong · Post by **ong** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:22 pm

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duaaagiii · Post by **duaaagiii** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:31 am

I was just wondering why they used 个 instead of the traditional form. I think the entire document was written using traditional so why have they used the simplified? Also, for khun3 they use 睏 but why not 困?

That is to differentiate between 个 e5, 個 ko3, and 的 e5.

The eye radical in 睏 was added to differentiate it from the other more prevalent meanings of 困

jilang · Post by **jilang** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:36 am

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I was just wondering why they used 个 instead of the traditional form. I think the entire document was written using traditional so why have they used the simplified? Also, for khun3 they use 睏 but why not 困?


That is to differentiate between 个 e5, 個 ko3, and 的 e5.

I still don't understand it (sorry). So are they using both the traditional and simplified of the same character for different words?

duaaagiii · Post by **duaaagiii** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:08 am

You can think of it that way. In addition, e5 (个) is a colloquial pronunciation, ko3 (個) is a literary pronunciation.

jilang · Post by **jilang** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:14 am

It seems kind of confusing. To confirm: are they using both simplified and traditional?

duaaagiii · Post by **duaaagiii** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:55 pm

Taiwan does not use the simplified character set. The story is like this: once upon a time (well before the PRC's simplified character set was created), there were three different ways to write what is now the Mandarin /ge4/: 箇, 個, and 个. 個 superseded the other two, which is why it is used as the official traditional character nowadays. 个 was used as a shorthand alternative (and still is in many places), and so the PRC simplifiers decided to adopt this as the their official simplified character. 箇 simply fell out of use.

Now, since 個 is the standard in Taiwan, 个 and 箇 are considered variants. Some people interested in writing Min-nan in 漢字 decided to borrow the variant 个 character to write the Min-nan e5, leaving 個 for the Min-nan ko3.

All three of these characters appear in 康熙字典 (the K'ang-hsi dictionary).

There have also been other proposals for 漢字 for e5, including 個 itself (but this places the burden of distinguishing between e5 and ko3 on the reader), 仒, 人 over 下, 丌, etc.

jilang · Post by **jilang** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:17 am

Thanks for explaning. I didn't really know much about the traditional and simplified character's history.

ong · Post by **ong** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:35 am

Since experts didn't even sure what is the correct hanzi for this e .Why spending so much time talking about this hanzi 个.
If we want this hanzi to have a vowel of e,it must be old chinese not middle chinese .We can find 丽，兮 in this 部。