Korean invented chinese language

Discuss the Chinese language.
PPK
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby PPK » Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:05 pm

c'mon peterkim, do u actually believe that altaic people and koreans who used a 'pronouciation-based' language can invent a 'graphical/pictorial' form of writing? besides, ur argument of the bronze wares dont even sustain. the chinese had multiple sites with a history of using and making bronze wares that are earlier, much more sophisticated and different in designs wit those that can be found in korea. ur theory of shang ppl coming from the korea peninsula can be argued the other way round. others can easily tell u tha the koreans are actually descendants of a chinese tribe called the 'dong yi'. the koreans are actually of chinese origins. but whats the point?

sfboy
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby sfboy » Fri Nov 29, 2002 7:15 pm

PPK:

aren't all languages 'pronounciation-based'? how else would spoken language be communicated?

I think you mean polysyllabic Altaic and Korean languages as opposed to the generally monosyllabic Chinese language.

oeiwanxing
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby oeiwanxing » Sun Dec 01, 2002 5:30 am

I can say that we should end this topic, because the writer of the first thread keeps writing nonsense. Do you know that some Chinese have the same way of thinking with him because they are STUBBORN?

Even Korean adopted Confucius as their patron, right?

peterkim
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby peterkim » Mon Dec 02, 2002 12:50 am

Confucius was chinese but Lao Tze not.

Taoism has korean origin too.

UBB
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby UBB » Mon Dec 02, 2002 7:52 pm

Modern Koreans didn't even freakin' exist when Lao Tze introduced Daoism. Oh, and Daoism is NOT originated in Korea, it's not even called Korea back then. It was called Chao Xien by the Chinese in Mandarin and Tsiu Sin in Cantonese. You are so clueless. (Choson in Korean). Maybe you should talk with some Korean scholars and see what your own people think of your audacious arguments, which are based on totally and absolutely nonsense.

UBB
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby UBB » Tue Dec 03, 2002 3:34 am

But actually, I'm quite eager to read more comments because all this is SO hilariously and ridiculously funny.

anthony
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby anthony » Wed Dec 04, 2002 5:55 pm

EVERYTHING CAME FROM KOREA. WHO GIVES A SHITT!!

PPK
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby PPK » Thu Dec 05, 2002 5:35 am

yes sfboy, i meant polysyllabic. i took my linguistics course in chinese so there are certain things i cannot express in english. it would be ridiculous for a polysyllabic people to invent monosyllabic written characters, isnt it?



and kim, any clues where u get the idea lao tzu wasnt chinese?

peterkim
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby peterkim » Sat Dec 07, 2002 1:36 am

Taoism originated from the Lolang province of the Han empire which was a commandary set up on conquered korean territory ,after the Han defeated the old Chosun. There is also a chinese text describing the visitation of

Confucius with Lao Tzu which also describes the conflict between the two

thoughts.

HKB
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby HKB » Sat Dec 07, 2002 10:22 am

But mere "conflict" of thought does not even remotely imply a difference in culture and ethnicity. Two Russians can have very different thoughts i.e. Stolin & Gorbachev. Moreover, even though you claim that this took place in "new-conquered" "Choson" territory, it is mere speculation to imply that Lao Tsu must then be of Choson origin. Not to mention that this most certainly did not happen in any region near ancient Choson:



According to legend Lao Tzu was keeper of the archives at the imperial court. When he was eighty years old he set out for the western border of China, toward what is now Tibet, saddened and disillusioned that men were unwilling to follow the path to natural goodness. At the border (Hank Pass), a guard, Yin Xi (Yin Hsi), asked Lao Tsu to record his teachings before he left. He then composed in 5,000 characters the Tao Te Ching (The Way and Its Power). Hence the origin of Daoism. This happened in Tibet, not in any "newly conquered Choson area.)



(source: www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/lao.html)



As for the concern of his ethnicity, I've heard speculations as far-fetched as that he was Christ Himself.

PPK
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby PPK » Sat Dec 07, 2002 6:45 pm

kim, it is quite established that lao tzu is a native of the state of chu, so unless u have specific proof that he's otherwise korean, i would maintain that. besides, taoism and laotzu isnt exactly the same thing. so to say 'han taoism originated from korea' and 'laotzu is korean himself' are not the same thing. i hope u do understand the differences. if u are talking about religious taoism tha appeared during the han dynasty, that has got nothing to do with the philosophy taoism established by laotzu. the religious taoism only made use of laotzu as an icon to maintain their authenticity.

peterkim
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby peterkim » Sun Dec 08, 2002 5:39 am

some of you mentioned kimchin in previous posts, I want to tell you all that kimchi is definately korean origin.



Major ingredients in Korean dishes (e.g., kimchi) are green onion

(Allium fistulosum) and garlic (Allium sativum). Also, Allium

tuberosum and Allium ascalonicum can be included.



'Al' means egg in Korean. What is the common thing between Allium and

Altai? It's 'Al', meaning egg. Yes. Green onion and garlic have eggs

('Al').



The wild progenitor of Allium sativum (cultivated garlic, or maneul in

Korean) was Allium altaicum. Several thousand years ago, Koreans

firstly cultivated Allium altaicum in Central asia near southern

Siberia, so called Altai. The cultivated garlic is Allium sativum. It

was Koreans, not Chinese, who firstly cultivated garlic.



Let me briefly mention another species, green onion (Allium

fistulosum). Green onion has been called 'Pa' in Korean. Scholars

generally agree that 'Pa', green onion, was originated from 'Pamirs'

in central Asia, because species richiness is highest there.

Interestingly, Chinese call 'Pamirs' as 'Chung-ling', meaning 'Onion

mountains', but the pronunciation for 'Pa' is not 'pa' as in Korean,

but 'Chung'. Only Koreans keep the original syllable of 'Pa'. It is

uncertain what 'mir' means, but it seems that this word was related to

religious beliefs or meant 'mountain' or 'place' (Pa-mirs =

green-onion mountains).



The oldest legend in Korea begins with a story of garlic, Allium

altaicum (or A. sativum in a modern sense) in BC 2333. Modern science

reveals

some mysterious ingredient contained in garlic and green onion. Before

that, Koreans have enjoyed Allium spp. since they were in Pamirs and

Altai. Allium were also good for overcoming cold climate in the

sub-arctic parallel through which Korean ancestors migrated since BC

7200.



Pronuncations of major ingredients in Kimchi and botanical

distribution of Allium genus clearly show that Korean ancestors

cultivated garlic and green onions to develop proto-Kimchi, probably

several thousand years ago. Only Koreans still are addicted to garlic

and green onions.

KP
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby KP » Mon Dec 09, 2002 12:57 am

My name is Kong.......notice the "Ko" in Kong.....similar to the "Ko" in Korean. You all are descendents of my former self thousands of years ago.



You see, 10,000 years ago, the world was in its last Ice Age, covering most of Northern China, including Korea. So you Koreans originally came from Vietnam and migrated north as the ice caps began to retreat towards the North Pole. ;)

PPK
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby PPK » Mon Dec 09, 2002 1:14 am

kim, stick to the point, no point beating around the bush.

HKB
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Re: Korean invented chinese language

Postby HKB » Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:42 am

Kim has a very interesting theory but I think that he is much better with "theorizing" Korean history than biology. If garlic and green onion have eggs in them, I guess there are little green men walking inside my radio, too. It is very surprising the stuff he can bring up. p.s. what the hell did all that confounded garlic irrelevance have to do with anything we've been talking about?! You're also begging the question(s). And, KimChi is a Korean brand. Of course it has Korean origin! duh!


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