Beh and ài

Discussions on the Hokkien (Minnan) language.
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Ah-bin
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Beh and ài

Post by Ah-bin » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:17 am

I think the basic difference between beh and ài is that ài indicates volition and beh does not necessarily indicate volition and is more similar to a future tense. I wonder, is that right?

Lú má-chài beh khì tó-lóh?
Where are you going tomorrow? Where will you go tomorrow?

Lú má-chài ài khì tó-lóh?
Where do you want to go tomorrow?

I was also wondering, can beh be used when referring to the past?

I think you can say

Lú cha-huiⁿ ài khì tó-lóh?
Where did you want to go yesterday?

But not
*Lú cha-huiⁿ beh khì tó-lóh?

Does this last sentence sound strange to a native speaker?

I do know that you can say

Wá cha-mê• beh chhut khì ê sî...
Yesterday when I was about to go out/ before I went out...

and that is in the past, so maybe there is no rule after all.

Thank you in advance for your advice.
AndrewAndrew
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Re: Beh and ài

Post by AndrewAndrew » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:26 am

Ah-bin wrote: Lú cha-huiⁿ ài khì tó-lóh?
Where did you want to go yesterday?

But not
*Lú cha-huiⁿ beh khì tó-lóh?

Does this last sentence sound strange to a native speaker?
In both cases I would put "sīơⁿ" before the verb.
hokkien_learner
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Re: Beh and ài

Post by hokkien_learner » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:04 pm

Mind if I ask, Can you post characters for "Lú má-chài beh khì tó-lóh?" Please.
Ah-bin
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Re: Beh and ài

Post by Ah-bin » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:02 pm

"Lú má-chài beh khì tó-lóh?"

Well, I myself write it like this:

汝(明仔載)欲去倒落.
But be warned! First this is Penang Hokkien, and other varieties will say it differently. Taiwanese, for example, will say something like

Lí bîn-á-chài beh khì tó-ūi.
Which I would write:
汝(明仔載)欲去倒位.

Second, there aren't really any characters that fit properly to the two syllables of "má-chài", because it is a contraction of bîn-á-chài.

Finally....those are just my own ways of writing things, copying what I have seen in most recent books and dictionaries, but other people will write these sentences in other ways!
SimL
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Re: Beh and ài

Post by SimL » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:36 am

AndrewAndrew wrote:
Ah-bin wrote: Lú cha-huiⁿ ài khì tó-lóh?
Where did you want to go yesterday?

But not
*Lú cha-huiⁿ beh khì tó-lóh?

Does this last sentence sound strange to a native speaker?
In both cases I would put "sīơⁿ" before the verb.
Nice improvement. I think the sentences as originally proposed by Ah-bin were ok, but the added "sioN7" is nice. I pronounce it "siauN7" myself.
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