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by amhoanna
Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:13 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: wearing gloves
Replies: 2
Views: 9842

Re: wearing gloves

Thanks. Others have confirmed 掛 is the most common verb. There are others. Your instinct is spot on, depending on the context. "Chiúlông kòa--leh" is absolutely a native usage.

Lông vs lok (lokgá) has me a little confused. Both are used. Not sure which is used where.
by amhoanna
Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:58 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hokkien "Stairmasters" Story
Replies: 0
Views: 8885

Hokkien "Stairmasters" Story

Futurespy, I've re-transcribed the story U sent me. Here it is. I did have an assist from the crowd on the other forum. There were a few nuts I couldn't crack on my own. The first line is the Mandarin version (your teacher's), then the Romanized Hokkien (hers), then POJ (mine), and finally Sinicized...
by amhoanna
Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:03 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: wearing gloves
Replies: 2
Views: 9842

wearing gloves

What's the correct verb in Hokkien for (a) putting on and (b) wearing gloves?
by amhoanna
Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:04 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hangŭl for Hokkien
Replies: 14
Views: 35678

Re: Hangŭl for Hokkien

1. I still am not sure how to render Choanchiu -er. Is this a glide anyway, which always leads to an -e sound or is it a monotone vowel? It can stand alone. There are some dialects in the hill country where it can be a glide. The sound is very similar to a schwa. 2. I'm still having some questions ...
by amhoanna
Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:43 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hangŭl for Hokkien
Replies: 14
Views: 35678

Re: Hangŭl for Hokkien

Re: the frequencies -- yes, by personal observation, and also from the informal observations of others. U can take any text or dialog and count the number of syllables with tones in each series. I guarantee U U'll find that the 阴 series carries a lot more syllables. This is true across languages, ev...
by amhoanna
Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:41 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hangŭl for Hokkien
Replies: 14
Views: 35678

Re: Hangŭl for Hokkien

I agree with your main line of reasoning. If 阳 syllables occurred with greater frequency, say at a 5:4 ratio, I would favor marking 阴 instead. When I said that the 阴 series is the default, I meant that it has been subjectively considered the default -- by everyone's who's gotten into this branch of ...
by amhoanna
Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:41 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hangŭl for Hokkien
Replies: 14
Views: 35678

Re: Hangŭl for Hokkien

In my mind, the crux of it is that the 阴 series are the default. This is reflected in the higher frequency of 阴 syllables in any dialog or text. The 阴 series also "comes first".

It's always good to question the status quo, though.
by amhoanna
Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:18 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: HO̍KLÓ, HO̍HLÓ, HŌLÓ
Replies: 73
Views: 120857

Re: HO̍KLÓ, HO̍HLÓ, HŌLÓ

To the Moderators: I respectfully request that the last post by Pier be deleted. It's irrelevant to the thread. I also think Pier should be blocked from this forum for (1) plagiarizing other people's work and (2) rarely posting on topic to a thread, except when (3) the entire thread is off-topic to ...
by amhoanna
Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:58 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hangŭl for Hokkien
Replies: 14
Views: 35678

Re: Hangŭl for Hokkien

Something interesting I just came across in Wikipedia: Korean has a simple tone system often characterized by the poorly defined term "pitch accent". Hangul originally had two diacritics to represent this system, a single tick, as in 성〮, for high tone, and a double tick, as in 성〯, for a long vowel. ...
by amhoanna
Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:27 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hangŭl for Hokkien
Replies: 14
Views: 35678

Re: Hangŭl for Hokkien

U are probably right, a lot of drawbacks may be inherent in a "Hoklogana". I feel that Japanese hiragana, at least, is much prettier and much more kanji-compatible (aesthetically) than hangul (or katakana). Circles, esp., are almost alien to kanji. I say almost, b/c there is "〇". But I don't agree w...
by amhoanna
Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:06 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?
Replies: 19
Views: 35719

Re: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?

In your sentence, I would've used "kà", same as U. He spoke on TO A POINT (地步) WHERE the others fell off in a slumber. I guess my guideline is not very clear. :oops: The natives will be a better resource on this anyway. Semantics will not get U all the way with tone sandhi. Notice that "the̍h tiāu" ...
by amhoanna
Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:50 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hoklo in the Bisayas: comments on the archives
Replies: 11
Views: 22625

Re: Hoklo in the Bisayas: comments on the archives

isn't it still possible that a pronunciation from an older layer is missing that? At least the pronunciation-defining 乍 has two spellings in 集韻: 即各切 and 鉏駕切, the latter of which renders chà in Hokkien, without a glottal stop. Is it then impossible that 昨 has a pronunciation without glottal stop? Go...
by amhoanna
Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:28 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?
Replies: 19
Views: 35719

Re: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?

1. Chit-ê-lâng sin-khu chin lò (這个人身軀真躼). Would you use running or standing tone on the "khu"? Standing! The sentence is technically correct, but "sinkhu" is redundant here. Góa thiaⁿ--bô lí kóng--ê ōe (我聽無你講的話). running; standing There should not be a double dash after the thiann. I would say Lí k...
by amhoanna
Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:57 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hangŭl for Hokkien
Replies: 14
Views: 35678

Re: Hangŭl for Hokkien

aBun, Glad U've decided to tackle the age-old Hologul issue. Here is a summary of what others have done: http://icanimoxen.pixnet.net/blog/post/29112660 I looked into the matter as well, once upon a time. The system I came up with was almost identical to Oddy's, which is reviewed in the blog article...
by amhoanna
Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:41 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Del
Replies: 3
Views: 15014

Re: Hokkien in Palembang (Share)

Some sentences in Palembang Hokkien (巨港福建話) at page 16 or around there:

http://www-01.sil.org/silesr/2011/silesr2011-028.pdf

Seems suspiciously similar to Taiwanese, except for a couple of Malayanisms.