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by Helmut
Fri Jul 12, 2002 10:52 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: Tone Sandhi
Replies: 21
Views: 62336

Re: Tone Sandhi

Can4 Saang1, forgive me asking such a question, but are these two Cantonese tone sandhis for real ? Concerning the 53->55 sandhi, well, I still failed to find anyone actually speaking 53 words and 55 words differently. They all sound 55 to me (with extremely few exceptions, e.g. the particle "tim1")...
by Helmut
Mon Jul 08, 2002 11:22 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: Cantonese Dictionary
Replies: 25
Views: 115721

Re: Cantonese Dictionary

>> I almost can't believe that there aren't lots of good dictionaries out there, but I have done quite a bit of searching. I turn to my comprehensive 1000+ page English dictionary and think how much easier life would be if there was one Cantonese/English. << Compared to the abundance of material for...
by Helmut
Mon Jul 08, 2002 11:19 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: Tone Sandhi
Replies: 21
Views: 62336

Re: Tone Sandhi

Tone Sandhi: Quoting from "Cantonese - A Comprehensive Grammar" (Matthews/Yip): ". . . In Cantonese, tone change is restricted to one main process which is not regular in this sense, but occurs due to a number of morphological and semantic factors. For these reasons, the Cantonese case is generally ...
by Helmut
Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:17 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: looking for a simple english/cantonese dictionary
Replies: 6
Views: 13784

Re: looking for a simple english/cantonese dictionary

If your students are able to read Cantonese, you may buy any English-Chinese dictionary and show them the Chinese characters. It solves the big problem of how to pronounce the words accurately enough to make them understand what you are saying. Cantonese read and write the same words as other Chines...
by Helmut
Wed Apr 03, 2002 10:29 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: Yale Romanization vs. others
Replies: 5
Views: 14640

Re: Yale Romanization vs. others

/dam, well, there is more out there. I have seen descriptions of the following systems for romanising Cantonese: - Barnett-Chao - Meyer-Wempe - Sidney Lau - Yale (and there seem to exist dialects of it) - Jyutping Furthermore, there is a number of systems that exist only in the text books written by...
by Helmut
Tue Apr 02, 2002 9:48 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: Yale Romanization vs. others
Replies: 5
Views: 14640

Re: Yale Romanization vs. others

There is surely no comparison chart for "each type" of Cantonese romanisation, because the number of different systems is not small enough. There are comparison charts for some systems deemed important by the authors of the charts. The biggest one I've seen had three systems (including Yale) plus th...
by Helmut
Wed Feb 13, 2002 2:42 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: Independent learning materials
Replies: 7
Views: 10435

Re: Independent learning materials

Eric, one more point: I observed that older material often contains a lot of words that makes native speakers comment like "Yes, I understand, but noone is using that word. You should say ... instead.". It can then be quite frustrating, when trying out your newly acquired knowledge on a native speak...
by Helmut
Thu Jan 10, 2002 9:51 am
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: When was the start for HK movies being filmed in Cantonese
Replies: 5
Views: 14872

Re: When was the start for HK movies being filmed in Canton

Hi, a HK native confirmed to me that films in HK were produced in Mandarin until the late 60s or early 70s. Since then they are produced in Cantonese. No precise idea when the switch happened. TVBS-Europe is currently showing some very old films in Cantonese language from HK on saturday afternoons. ...
by Helmut
Wed Jan 09, 2002 3:55 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: I need some info
Replies: 1
Views: 6144

Re: I need some info

Yes, Cantonese is a bit difficult to learn. Strictly seen from the point of view of a Westerner, and comparing the learning of easy to learn languages, e.g. Italian, then I see mainly the following reasons: 1. Vocabulary ============= a. Cantonese vocabulary is very different from that of European l...
by Helmut
Fri Nov 23, 2001 12:44 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: 9 tones of Cantonese
Replies: 7
Views: 16560

I got it, finally !!

Hi Steven, sorry for the late reaction (are you still there ?). Your response had thrown me back into confusion again. But suddenly, I understood it all. Why do all these tone systems seem to contradict each other while talking about the same language ?? Why would Hubert (some weeks ago in this foru...
by Helmut
Mon Nov 19, 2001 10:02 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: Help me Please!!!!
Replies: 2
Views: 7168

Not so easy assignment

Hi Magnus, it isn't so easy. The straightforward translations of "child" and "smart" do not sound like 'chi' or 'wai'. So, it must be more rarely used words. You also did not tell how you got the spelling of the word. There are several different spelling systems for Cantonese. So, checking out the d...
by Helmut
Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:32 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: 9 tones of Cantonese
Replies: 7
Views: 16560

Re: hockey

Steve, thanks a lot for the information. The example of the word for "deer" was particularly interesting. I found that my dictionaries do not agree what tone to attribute to this word. One would give it tone number 6 (=9) and would always give tones 1, 3 and 6 to words ending with -p, -t or -k. Anot...
by Helmut
Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:32 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: 9 tones of Cantonese
Replies: 7
Views: 16560

hockey

Hi Steve, thanks a lot for the clarification. So the "glottal stop" is simply one of those three 'do-as-if-you-were-to-pronounce-a-...' endings. I think I got the idea, even if I do not know the christmas song you mentioned (must be for ice-hockey players, right ?). Let's see whether I really got it...
by Helmut
Sat Nov 10, 2001 10:11 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: 9 tones of Cantonese
Replies: 7
Views: 16560

9 tones of Cantonese

I have read that there exists a 9 tone scheme for Cantonese. All what I have seen in text books was a 6 or 7 tone system. Can anyone explain me how the 9 tone system works or refer me to some good websites explaining it ? I found this one: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/GenX_jt_mtjr/GenXCa...
by Helmut
Sat Oct 20, 2001 9:11 pm
Forum: Cantonese language forum
Topic: Correct way to say "money" in Cantonese?
Replies: 17
Views: 29726

eu and eo and oe

Hi Eugene, let's find an example: "the bird wants to go out" Yale: jek jeuk jái séung chèut heui Jyutping: zek3 zoek3 zai2 soeng2 ceot1 heoi3 Always when there is a short vowel (in case of -eui, -eut, -eun), Jyutping uses 'eo'. Always when there is a long vowel (in case of -eu, -euk, -eung), Jyutpin...