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by Abun
Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:37 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hangŭl for Hokkien
Replies: 14
Views: 36444

Re: Hangŭl for Hokkien

Hey amhoanna, first thanks for the feedback, even more so since it's encouraging :mrgreen: Glad U've decided to tackle the age-old Hologul issue. Here is a summary of what others have done: http://icanimoxen.pixnet.net/blog/post/29112660 Interesting, and not much different from mine :mrgreen: Of the...
by Abun
Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:34 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?
Replies: 19
Views: 36958

Re: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?

1. Chit-ê-lâng sin-khu chin lò (這个人身軀真躼). Would you use running or standing tone on the "khu"? Standing! Okay there goes my theory that it's the topic, not the subject which is resposible for standing tone :lol: It's also interesting that in some of the cases of "complement of result" (tsia̍h-liáu,...
by Abun
Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:03 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hangŭl for Hokkien
Replies: 14
Views: 36444

Hangŭl for Hokkien

Hey folks, after having finished my thesis, I decided I could begin to confirm the joke that only he who invented a new transcription system is a real sinologist :lol: That is, I tried to find a way to write Hokkien in Hangŭl. As everybody who knows both Hangŭl and Hokkien will know, Hangŭl should f...
by Abun
Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:24 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: How -NOT- write in Hokkien
Replies: 19
Views: 43772

Re: How -NOT- write in Hokkien

The word "goán" doesn't exist in Coanciu Hoklo and Coanciu-type dialects, such as the Taipak-based dialect of 20th century TWese pop music. In those dialects, it's ALL gún. In Mainstream TWese, goán is WE (excl.); gún is OUR. Gún can also mean "I" in either dialect. Outside of song lyrics, I'm pret...
by Abun
Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:18 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?
Replies: 19
Views: 36958

Re: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?

Hey amhoanna, yes I admit, it's pretty long and theoretical, I should have given practical examples. I will try to formulate my questions as example sentences: 1. Chit-ê-lâng sin-khu chin lò (這个人身軀真躼). Would you use running or standing tone on the "khu"? 2. Will need a couple of examples here... Góa...
by Abun
Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:52 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: Hoklo in the Bisayas: comments on the archives
Replies: 11
Views: 23258

Re: Hoklo in the Bisayas: comments on the archives

Hey amhoanna, yes it's indeed quite interesting. Might I ask where those parts come from (you might have mentioned it in Castellan earlier, but I have some difficulty reading that since I've never learned that and my French is already half forgotten as well :lol:)? 汝 sounds high-level, as it would i...
by Abun
Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:05 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: How -NOT- write in Hokkien
Replies: 19
Views: 43772

Re: How -NOT- write in Hokkien

Actually, when I mean "or", I mean the "o" as they pronounce it in Tâi-lâm... (not sure if it's everywhere in Tâi-lâm tho xD) I guess that's similar to /ə/? Yes, that's the sound that I mean. I mean I only ever heard this or even sth going more into the direction of closed o (IPA [o]). But my exper...
by Abun
Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:05 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: How -NOT- write in Hokkien
Replies: 19
Views: 43772

Re: How -NOT- write in Hokkien

I'm not sure, since I still can't distinguish tones (shame on me) :mrgreen: hm, while I do have my problems with some tone combinations (for example, everytime I try to say chhiáⁿ-lâng-kheh (請人客), my ears tell me that the tone on the middle syllable is rising, no matter how much I try to keep it le...
by Abun
Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:01 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?
Replies: 19
Views: 36958

Re: To Sandhi or not to Sandhi?

Great that there already is a thread about this, I almost started a new one :lol: However, even though I know I’ll repeat quite a lot of stuff that’s already been said, but in order to get my understanding straight, please let me recapitulate: In general, the last word of a phrase appears in citatio...
by Abun
Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:52 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: tī, tiàm(-tī), toà(-tī)...
Replies: 10
Views: 20591

Re: tī, tiàm(-tī), toà(-tī)...

Hey Andrew, so your feeling is that With other verbs, toa is more appropriate if the action is protracted: I ti goa-khau puah-to - he fell outside cf. I toa hit-peng tan - he waited there I toa hit-peng hau - she sat/stood there crying So according to your feeling tòa indicates some sort of extended...
by Abun
Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:51 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: tī, tiàm(-tī), toà(-tī)...
Replies: 10
Views: 20591

Re: tī, tiàm(-tī), toà(-tī)...

Hello amhoanna, this pretty much assures me in my feeling that tī is somewhat neutral, whereas tiàm and tòa are usually a bit more stressed, laying the focus more on the local adverb. So your feeling is basically that tiàm is used with verbs of (deliberate) non-movement and toà rather indicates a mo...
by Abun
Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:48 am
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: tī, tiàm(-tī), toà(-tī)...
Replies: 10
Views: 20591

tī, tiàm(-tī), toà(-tī)...

Ta̍k-ke hó, I hope you don’t mind me bothering you with a grammar question again? As far as I got it, while in Mandarin there is only one preposition for “at (a certain place/time)” (namely zài 在), Hokkien possesses three basic ones: tī (佇), tiàm (踮) and toà (蹛), as well as the occasional tsāi (在) w...
by Abun
Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:07 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: How -NOT- write in Hokkien
Replies: 19
Views: 43772

Re: How -NOT- write in Hokkien

Hey amhoanna, thanks for the detailed and informative answers. This word is commonly used in Mandarin, but not in Hoklo, at least not outside the PRC. It acts like a verb -- not sure if it really is one. It's hard to translate into English. 任人踏 = ABLE TO OR AVAILABLE TO BE STEPPED ON BY ANYBODY. Act...
by Abun
Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:18 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: How -NOT- write in Hokkien
Replies: 19
Views: 43772

Re: How -NOT- write in Hokkien

yeah, accidental repost again... and still not able to find a way to delete my own posts...
by Abun
Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:00 pm
Forum: Hokkien (Minnan) language
Topic: How -NOT- write in Hokkien
Replies: 19
Views: 43772

Re: How -NOT- write in Hokkien

Oh and since the topic is already at 滅火器's songtexts, I have a problem with another one myself. I will adopt Spy's coloring system (if you don't mind, I'll change it if that means a copyright infringement :lol:), that is: Original lyrics My version (again in MoE-Hanji) Romanization 悲歌 - 滅火器 / Pi-koa...